The Return of the Nephilim - My Note to You about the Christian attitude toward the news

Yesterday I follow the link of a new referrer to this site and it was a chat room. There someone had put my following small article from this site.

Shalom! The objective of this is to offer you Christian news (mainly end time news) articles and commentaries pertaining the End Times and the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. I hope to help you watch and discern the signs of our time, since - just as prophesied by our Lord Jesus Christ in his Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24- most of the events and conditions present in the Antediluvian World are now being repeated. There are very few of them left; but their preparation is taking place daily in front of our very eyes. Have you noticed them?... Are you ready for them?... Are you ready for what is rapidly coming our way?... But, most of all... Are you really ready for your imminent encounter with God?
Since the antediluvian world until our modern times, demons masquerading as &gods& from the stars or extraterrestrials from another world have being allowing humans to see them on occasions in "chariots of fire" or flying saucers; and even sometimes they have forcibly hijacked people (known as abductees) into their UFO or UFOs for painful sexual depravations and genetics experimentations. Why sounds so strange? They are demons, that means fallen angels! Their mission is to lie, confuse, terrorize and inflict pain and terror.
The satanic historical mission of the aliens, or UFO phenomenon, is to create the necessary conditions for the last deception of Satan, which will bring about the consolidation of the New Age religion, the rise of the beast of the Book of Revelation and the short reign of the Antichrist before the second coming of Christ and the end of the world as we know it.
Like I have said before, I know that some of these articles seem to be very strange, but they are true indeed. The media, in general, tenaciously takes anything supernatural or simply off the ordinary off our eyes. Remember, the enemies of the Lord claim the same concerning the realities described in the Bible. The fact that something sounds weird does not mean that it is unreal at all. After all, we are in the End Times and things will get even stranger and much more distasteful before the Lord comes to end it all and start a new, perfect and beautiful world. What a wonderful Day that will be!

Very good. But immediately he proceeded to put at the end:

www.returnofthenephilim.com
You have been warned!
Have fun!
Cheers!!!!
"When you go through life make this your goal, Watch the doughnut......not the hole!&

Then a few people continue to push on a session of anti-Christian bashing. I decided to call their attention, not because they disagreed with this site, but for being clear exponents of the bad manners and education that the Darwinist —dogma taught as proven "science"— has inculcated in the masses. Go to http://www.talkhardonline.com/ and look for the thread named "Oh! Dear......" to see the phenomenal inconsistencies that "adorn" the enemies of Christ in this day and age, when confronted with their spiritual bigotry. I talked to them about oranges and they, in their stupor, were saying that I was taking about fleas and then responded about talking about bronze! They attempted to use a favorite trick of all enemies of Christ: accusing us about their own shortcomings. Projecting has always been a preferred weapon of Satan, because Christians —he knows well— always choose to play soft and absorb it, ending up on the defensive and therefore giving the impression of being in the loosing field. I am an intellectual and spiritual warrior for the Kingdom of my Lord, and I do not allow to get caught up in such situation. Without offenses but sternly we need to confront those who not only are headed to Hell but also pretend to take with them as many as possible. Spiritual kamikazes. I think that we have to "shoot them down" before they arrive to our boats.

The following was my answer to this willful elements of distortion who feed one another the venom kills them. [ Again if you want to see their posts go to http://www.talkhardonline.com/ and look for the thread named "Oh! Dear......" It is a good example of the new breed that Satan has raised to one day, not far away unleash against us his futile fury again ]

Observe that at no point I try to bring them to Christ or convince them of my beliefs, since I realize that they would never concede what they would consider defeat. Something that we know is just the opposite to it: eternal Victory. But, an unconscious and satanic fear has them paralyzed to their own defeat, spiritually, emotionally and intellectually. Ho sad indeed!

Here is my first reply to them.

It seems to me that nobody has had anything intelligent to say to oppose the proposition of returnofthenephilim.com.
"Yawning" and well as making absurd and irrelevant comments about something that demands a coherent answer proves that there is a total of lack of intellectual honesty and/or ignorance of the subject matter which prevents the ability to counter the position disliked.
Or, maybe worse. Could a paralyzing fear of what returnofthenephlim.com so blatantly proposes not allow the intelligent debate thus forcing to recur to a "funny denial" as the only momentary way out of a subject that could be wrong, but that could also be frightfully right?
On the other hand, using loaned phrases from famous people does not bring any light to any discussion, since they too might have been wrong in their assertions about something so metaphysical. Einstein, for example was not infallible, and to repeat his opinions does not make anybody right.
Could returnofthenephilim.com be right. Sure! Do we know everything so conclusively as to laugh at some proposition without needing to formulate an intelligent argument?
The Peace of the mind is to find the Truth, and the exposition of it is always needed. [ Yeah, this quote is mine... but if you want you can use it ]
Friday, March 15, 2002 — 9:32:13 AM

Even after that, only one was short but polite to my remarks. The rest made a clear display of bigotry, unfairness, close-mindedness, total lack of arguments and a vitriolic hatred, not only for what we represent on this planet, but simply for who we are: Children of the Living God. So, I posted my last reply which is what follows.

WillyEck: Thank you for welcoming me and your gentle comment about returnofthenephilim.com.
Jerry: I am so sorry that you could not gather that before me some had open their mouths to say absolutely nothing. And the same thing took place afterwards, thus confirming your worst fear. If you had researched with an open mind the material presented in returnofthenephilim.com, and many other serious sites and books alike (there are many that only expose dogma) you might have continued believing, as you do, concerning the subject; but had you been honest you might had learned to respect the opposing evidence to your case and the people who present it. I recognize the irrationality of those who "recognizing the irrationality of wasting time" mount no argument against a position that they do not share, but engage in diatribes against the subject and the opponent who did not open the thread to discuss about it. What you call so 'judiciously' "puerile aphorism" is the essence of what I gave seen in the experience of my life. Sorry you were not taught to respect such things. Sorry that your maturity means to publicly joke around things that are very serious to millions on our planet. Sorry that people who seriously and respectfully estate in their sites what they have the right to believe -after many years of careful research and consideration bothers you. Sorry that many people in this world carry in themselves the dreadful virus of disrespect for what others believe and intolerantly consider themselves holders of the monopoly of the 'truth." Finally, the purpose of real wisdom is to live up to what we believe and find Peace in it. Naturally, if the basis of what we believe is true, such is possible. The purpose of wisdom is not to estate phrases that we do not live up. When you say "one of the great errors throughout history has been to declare truth rather than to search for it" you are making my case against you.
Nick: When you say that "it is most unlikely that a fundamentalist religious site is going to add anything new or worthwhile to the debate" you are closing not the subject, but yourself in the closet of willful ignorance. You position is proper to -with all respect for your person I say this- the position of a shallow intellectual bigot, which only hurts himself by pretending to exclude a great part of humanity as worthless to be taken into account. It is amazing to me how clouded your mind is -at least when it comes to deal with Christianity. You, gentleman, are projecting on me your unbending preconceptions when you self-righteously say in the following comment: "Icounsel, you are entitled to your beliefs, no matter what they may be.....but so are the rest of us. Or non-beliefs in some cases. We have members from several different religions, and members who have no religious beliefs. Please 'respect our rights to believe in whatever we choose', just as you would want us to respect your religious beliefs. 'If your only purpose in joining us here is to try to convert us (!!!) to your beliefs then you are wasting your time'." Nick, who has pushed their beliefs on whom? Who in this thread has been recriminating the opponent for their beliefs? Who mocks? Can you not see that the purpose of my short appearance in this room is exactly the opposite of what you accuse me of? That purpose was -and is- to call you all to respect everybody's position as worth considering. It is no me, it is you -and the rest- who try to extirpate any other idea but your own from the debate. What can I say, obviously, at best, you need glasses for your soul.
Jfkerluck: I am a great admirer of Albert Einstein and his work in more than one way, (I happened to have taught his physics principles in the course of my life) but brilliant as he undoubtedly was, he was far from being infallible (which was my point) and it is an excess to say that he is "responsible for much of what we take for granted today." Such sounds like a religious statement indeed. He was one of the many people that have cooperated to bring this planet to the condition in which it is now. On the other hand, deviating the argument off its proper course does not bring any light to it, neither makes any point in your favor. I, like you, have also "heard and seen enough religious/supernatural claims fall flat" on the mud; but I also have found the claims of Christianity been validated in all fields of the human research. I saw it because I had my eyes open. I did -and still do- want the Truth at all costs -no matter where it might take me. I have, later on, seen God come true in many occasions in my personal life in very many evident and factual ways. That blind people cannot see the sun does not mean that it is not there. Dare to be honest, leave your closet, open your eyes and you will see that this is not simply a philosophical issue, but an undeniable empirical reality. You say that "Having no proof against is not equal to having proof for." I hear no proof against of for coming from you. I have proof for my point in this thread: it is your bias, your disrespectful statements, your closed mind and negative attitude. If you want another point of mine go to returnofthenephilim.com... if you are not afraid. But only go if you -at least- respect yourself. Allow me to make a parodied statement: "I guess we're all tired of anti-religious fundies ruminating the same garbage over and over again" without having nothing intelligent to say to oppose the Truth that they hate. That is why for you "the fact is that the world has always sucked." How interesting!.It is not like that to me... even though I have been literally interned in concentration camps in the country from where I come and saw my freedom gone, precisely because of what I believe... at the hands of people who believe just like you. For me the world with all the disasters that you describe, and more, is a wonderful place of transition toward the Perfect One with the Perfect One. So there is hope in this world, on top of many good people and many good facts that daily take place. It is interesting, again, that you feel like that because you are the one who quoted Einstein when he said that "If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed." You now are saying that we are all a sorry lot! Only some, Jfkerluck, only some. I am not afraid at all of any punishment even when I am wrong! That is the Gospel you hate; and your frustrated emotion is a consequence of it. You say that "in the past, people were burned at the stake for contradicting the religious beliefs of those in power. Scientists were seen (as) heretics if their findings, which countered biblical 'truth'.' I wholeheartedly agree with you. Christianity, after having begun from a humble seed, grew distorted and ferociously intolerant. Many scientist of Christian persuasion were persecuted by the same ones who burnt alive millions of Christians who, like me, only cared about what God says in the Bible for their spiritual needs, and who had no stomach for the ruffians who had taken the "church" in their bloody hands. But is is amazing how much you only care for the plight of scientists (and you do not sound like one to me) You, conveniently, totally dismiss the thousands of Christians killed and sold as salves in places like Ethiopia, China, Philippines, Egypt, etc. in our very own day! What happens? The life of Christians are worthless to you? This is happening as we argue. Do you care? Does that inflame your soul, or not? Then, you say that "history records the scientists as correct, the church wrong." First, the church has been (and still is, I believe) wrong about many things. So have I. So have you. Does that mean that we are totally wrong? Hardly. Second, It is profoundly foolish to say that History has proven anything. History has not come to an end, yet, Jfkerluck, and the end is still to be seen. Your remark is totally dogmatic, and I do not deal well with dogmas. History proves, although, that Science has to constantly adapt itself -and many times back off- from what was thought to be a given.
I do not have any problem whatsoever with other people not believing in what I do. Showing disrespect for a fellow human is what should be intolerable. Religious people and atheists alike have given plenty of examples in history about the horror and misery that such attitude brings. And that human disaster always begins by unscrupulous leaders manipulating the unthinking masses into making jokes against those perceived as a opponents. Not accepting the value of the opponent's view as something worthy of respect and consideration (maybe because some might not have succeeded in presenting it in a convincing way) is the earmarks of intolerance. What bothers me is not at all that you no not think like me, it is your arrogant rejection of any position that opposes yours as invalid in all its tenets. There are many "mullahs" around not only in the Muslim camp, but also in Christianity, New Age and Darwinism, etc.
You have the inalienable moral right to express your thoughts with respect. You loose that right though (no matter what changing and imperfect judiciary laws might say) when it is used to disdain, belittle, and attack your human fellow and their ideas. That is what I tried to correct the attitude I detected in this room -not to engage in a scientific or philosophical discussion about the content of returnofthenephilim.com.
When I created returnofthenephilim.com I did it to estate what I believe, and not to force anyone to accept it, but also to alert -with all sincerity- my fellow humans of what I consider to be extremely important... and then, let everybody responsibly make their own mind. This thread. on the other hand, was created with the opposing view, and because it does morally damage those who partake in it, I tried to a give a gentle correction.
In reality, I never wander around in forums and chat rooms, since my time is very limited -not because I refuse any stimulating, serious intellectual challenge. I came to this thread because I felt led to follow the path of the referrer of one my visitors (Farcanal) and I chose to follow the path to this room, and -to my surprise- I found that I had given cause to raise a thread to say nothing at all about returnofthenephilim.com. How sad! I would have loved to have seen any serious debate like you say there has been in the past. But it happens that I deal with the present time, not with the past in these matters. It shows an absolute lack of respect and intellectual integrity to dismiss the issue in such fashion as all do. New people do not have to go and read thousands of postings while the "old-timers" seat in their sanctimonious "thrones" and have fun about the issue.
To open a new thread to say nothing; and then when confronted reply that "we have dealt with this issue before, so that is why now we are loosing our time by saying nothing." is the epitome of foolishness. Such is pretty consequent with the attitude of many zealot atheists that I have confronted in my life. Those very same ones who call Christians "close minded," "fanatics" and a cluster of other vile terms that they -in all honesty- deserve. I do not mean that there are not Christians who are "close minded" and "fanatics." But to assume the supercilious attitude of judgement that all of us are like that, and that the tenets of Christianity are worthy of denigration and disrespect, would put those who hold such position in the same light as the Nazis who accused all the Jews of the defects that possibly a few had.
I am sorry for you, gentlemen, but I cannot apologize for what I believe, neither I apologize for respecting other people's contradicting views of mine. Although, I am sorry that some of you might have felt insulted by me stating my beliefs as posted in returnofthenephilim.com as to find it necessary to loose precious time in the denigration of other people's beliefs.
Once again it is very clear to me that real close-mindedness, uncalled for disrespect and modern intolerance -with few exceptions- is in the opposite field to mine.
Since I perceive that all of you, have made you mind and then close it to nay other input, and since there is a clear lack of honesty in your personal and collective approach to have any intelligent debate, and since you do not intend to change your erroneous attitude -which is strictly what I was addressing- and since my time is precious indeed I shall not return, but I sincerely wish you all the best.
Saturday, 03-16-02 — 02:59 PM

In His Grace I remain, may you do the same,

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Friday, March 15, 2002